<br />as needed fire facilities, items from the Planning and Development Department, or road operations and <br />maintenance. He said this would allow the City Council to make the decision on what to spend the money <br />on in the context of the "universe of all of the City's major needs." <br />City Manager Taylor stated that calling the bonds provided an opportunity to have an annualized revenue <br />of $500,000 into the General Fund in reduced interest cost. He said this was part of the strategy to <br />determine what kinds of investments would produce out-year revenues to provide for ongoing costs as <br />.opposed to one-time costs. <br />Mr. McDonald asked if there would be an interest payment in addition to the seven percent should the <br />Supreme Court rule favorably. Ms. Hardt affirmed that any liability owed to the PERS system bore <br />interest at eight percent, as well. She was uncertain as to how retroactive this would be. <br />Mr. McDonald asked what percentage of payroll was made up by fringe costs and PERS. Ms. Hardt <br />thought the overall fringe load was over 40 percent. Assistant City Manager Jim Carlson said it could be <br />50 percent. <br />City Manager Taylor said it would be very helpful to the Budget Committee to understand the entire fringe <br />cost. He emphasized the importance of remaining a competitive employer. <br />Mr. McDonald remarked that the committee had seen an unrelenting escalation of costs. He asked at what <br />point the cost benefit would be outweighed by the fringe cost. <br />Ms. Hardt related that the PERS actuary anticipated that the rate will level out. She noted that some of the <br />reform involved an entire new retirement plan and the employer rate for that system was likely to be 11 <br />percent for the fire and police departments and`eight percent for the rest. Mr. McDonald agreed that PERS <br />. '" rates may flatten but underscored that health care costs were not flattening. <br />City Manager Taylor stated that the six-year financial forecast was intended to help to project these <br />increases. <br />Mr. McDonald said one strategy could be to offload jobs to another entity. City Manager Taylor <br />acknowledged this to be a possibility but felt it could also ultimately cost more money. fIe agreed that <br />employee costs were a large part of services costs. . <br />Ms. Beaman commented that outsourcing would only work to save money if the higher wage jobs were <br />butsourced. She said outsourcing lower wage jobs, the jobs most likely to be outsourced, tended to have <br />costs that outweighed benefits. <br />Ms. Beaman noted that contract employees negotiated for benefits and asked what cost-saving measures <br />the exempt employees had taken. City Manager. Taylor responded that the City had maintained a non- <br />exempt salary schedule that was significantly lower as well as having created a different administrative <br />structure within the Public Works Department that reaped some cost savings. <br />In response to a question from Ms. Beaman, City Manager Taylor indicated that there was not a specific <br />cost-saving strategy for exempt employees in the FY06 budget. <br />Mr. Clark asked what mechanism was used to determine the cost of health. Ms. Hardt responded that the <br />cost of health insurance would be discussed by Ms. Daut in the next presentation. <br />MINUTES-Eugene Budget Committee February 7, 2005 Page 13 <br />